Used Men, Premature Ejaculation & Why Your Girlfriends Are Your Real Family — S2E15 with Freya Evans

About This Episode

In Season 2 episode fifteen of And Just Like That… We Found Therapy, host Isabel MV welcomes back Freya Evans — co-host of Lesbian Supper Club — for one of the show's most chaotic episodes, "Shortcomings." Miranda refuses to date "used" men with kids, Carrie falls for a guy whose family she loves more than him, Samantha sleeps with Charlotte's newly divorced brother and gets slut-shamed with muffins, and Justin Theroux keeps prematurely ejaculating while also being furious about the scallion cream cheese.

What We Cover

• Is a divorced man with a kid "used" — or actually a better bet than someone who's never committed?

• Why introducing your child to someone you've been on three dates with is emotionally irresponsible

• Falling for someone's family more than you fall for them — and whether that's ever a good enough reason to stay

• Premature ejaculation: how to handle it, whether to have the conversation, and what happens when your partner refuses to

• Sex-positive parents and the unexpected way that can backfire on a child's relationship with intimacy

• Charlotte slut-shaming Samantha for sleeping with her brother — and why it's none of her business

• When your chosen family matters more than the one you were born into

• The lesbian equivalent of premature ejaculation (it's not what you think)

• Miranda hitting a child in the head with a door while naked — and who's actually at fault

• Why sometimes all you need is a good shag, not a therapist, a priest and a life coach combined

About Our Guest

Freya Evans is the co-host of the Lesbian Supper Club Podcast — community, events, merch and two lesbian nights and one lesbian pub night per month. Find everything at @lesbiansupperclubpod on Instagram and TikTok, and follow Freya personally at @_itsfreya.

Transcript

Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of And Just Like That We Found Therapy. I have with me today another repeat guest. Guess who?

It's Freya.

It's Freya Evans, one of the co-hosts of Lesbian Supper Club, one of my best friends, neighbor, and a firm supporter in the Notting Hill Support Club.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Some might say the biggest support.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, she's always here to support anybody with any quest, no matter how dumb, silly, it might be.

Especially how dumb and silly it is.

Totally.

I should talk about a quest you just came on my podcast as well.

Yes.

So check in the Lesbian Supper Club podcast.

On all your streaming sites so you can hear. Ease this episode with me where I get to ask me some very, very raunchy questions. Actually, I didn't even get you to, you just kind of got there on your own.

Yes, I did.

Yeah.

I will post about that episode because there's a lot of meat in it.

Yeah.

But now I have you on to discuss season two episode, I think it's 16 of Sex and the City Shortcomings.

Yeah.

There was basically a lesbian in the episode.

I'm like, you know who would be great for this one? Well, the professional lesbian herself.

God, I've really outgayed myself.

Yeah. One of my questions to Freya today was, what was the gayest thing you've done all week? And there was a whole list I should have asked today.

Yeah, literally just today, this, this outfit.

And also the other reason why I wanted you to do this podcast is because the episode opens with Miranda going to the gym and me and Freya went to the gym this week together and...

Oh, God, guys, she worked me hard.

Oh, I was also like in pain.

I think that you should be a PT and a podcaster, a double P.

A double P.

I might look into it.

Yeah, you'd be a very good PT actually, because you you're very motivating.

Oh, yeah.

And you're good and you know your shit.

Yeah.

Only two more. Yeah. If you count like this, it doesn't sound like ten.

But you were right.

I was right.

Yeah.

There's science behind it.

I don't know which one it is, but there's science.

Manipulation.

Yes. But in terms of this episode, there's a few topics here to discuss. First is Miranda going to the gym and there's Family Hour, which, like, thank God.

I've been trying to convince Freya to get a membership at my gym just because it would be a lot more fun to work out with her.

You have to change your insurance in order to cover under 18s so that you won't have that problem in my gym because Miranda's working out and there's, like, kids coming and, like, tickling her while she's doing press ups and shit like that.

I would slap that kid.

No, that kid is getting a dumbbell to the head.

Just lower and not a 2 kg dumbbell.

No, no, no, at least 16.

Yes. And then basically, whatever, Miranda's going into the elevator and there's this, like, hot man with a kid and well, hot, allegedly hot.

Their version of hot, yeah.

Yeah. And he's like, Oh, do you mind if my kid presses the button? He likes presses the button.

Did you ever have a pressing the button face as a kid? Yeah. We all did.

Yeah.

I still think I quite like to press a button.

You do. I do. And then she's like, sure.

I'm in a rush. Like, can you please press one? And then of course, the kid goes like da, da, da, da, da, da.

And this dude asks her out and Miranda is not so annoyed when she gets a date out of the elevator ride. And then she goes on to talk to her best friends at brunch about how she doesn't purchase vintage clothing. She doesn't like use furniture.

Is it too much to ask to have a man that's not used? And I was offended. Maybe it's because obviously I'm at an age where I obviously need to look into quote unquote used man.

So what she thinks that he's used because he's got a kid?

Yeah.

He's divorced or he's going through a divorce and has a kid.

Oh my God. No. I actually think it's quite nice because I feel like they've experienced more.

Yeah.

And it also shows, I think Charlotte says that in another episode, it shows that they can commit.

Yeah.

So that's super insulting.

You don't want to be their mistake. You want to be the thing that they get after their mistake.

Their happy ending.

Exactly.

Yeah. So have you ever dated anybody with kids or going through a divorce?

No and no. I haven't. Would it put me off?

I think kids, yeah. I'm just not in the space yet where I could have a child. Yeah.

It depends obviously on the person. Like you never know. You might completely blow my socks off right and have a kid.

Then I might just have to put up with a brat. I'm joking.

And he was a brat.

Oh, okay. Oh, it's the fact that the kid was annoying. I feel like that's a major thing.

Yeah.

Like if the kid is annoying, I'm not going to I'm not going to fuck with you.

I'm sorry, because I also then will start to judge you.

Yes.

Because I'm like, you've made him that way.

Totally.

Yeah.

But like also this dude was like so forthcoming about introducing his kid to this woman that he's met in the elevator for like, what, three minutes? Like, keep it in your pants, man. Like, this is your son.

Like, maybe wait until she's a steady date.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I do also like for me, I do love kids.

Yeah.

I do.

And you are very good with them.

I am good with kids, but it's just it's just you are you are fast tracking everything so quickly.

Yeah.

You know, and and you don't know what what the ex is like, and you don't want to tread on somebody else's toes, like the biological mom and all of these things. You know, like, I think it's really difficult. I think divorce is different.

Divorce, whatever. Yeah. It was like a breakup.

Like, do you know what I mean?

But like, yeah, but with more trauma. Yeah. And bills.

Yeah.

OK, then Carrie's like, and on my side, I was dating somebody completely new and like not used at all.

And like it's Justin Thurow again, which is like one of my favorite cameos in this show. He's such a good actor.

Yeah.

And he's so ripped and young. Sex and the City. Basically, he's like a fiction writer or something like that.

And Carrie and him are dating. We kind of find out that they still haven't slept together. And then he's like, I need to drop off something at my family's place, but it won't be a minute.

And she's like, well, I don't want to meet your parents. It's like, I have to go in, they're fine, trust me.

They go into the house and it looks like, not only they're loaded, because they have a beautiful townhouse, that it's super old school, but cool with a lot of, I don't know, culture things, like paintings, books, blah, blah, blah.

It's eclectic, it's fast, it's fun. Because the mother has just done a documentary about sex mutilation.

Wow, okay.

The father is a professor at Columbia. They have a gay daughter.

Love.

Yeah, who like, rocks up, actually dressed like Freya's dressed.

Yeah, literally.

And she's just like, not wearing any makeup, has like her hair up, and she's like, sup. So we know she's a lesbian.

Fucking cool. Yeah, yeah, I mean, like straight away.

No room for you to think this girl's straight.

No room for you to think that she is straight. Yeah. Sup.

So whatever, Carey makes quick friends with like the parents.

So the mother is like, oh my god, she is the writer of this column with love, come over here, blah, blah, blah. And Carey is like, oh, let's just stay for brunch with your parents because like, I love them.

Yeah.

Have you ever dated anybody because you loved their family dynamics? Or the goodies that came with it, like a townhouse or a pool?

No, I never was in a situation where like a girl's parents had things that like I wanted. I did date a girl once, actually. She was like, yeah, like had a lovely family home and stuff.

But like, no, but in terms of like the dynamic itself, I definitely have felt that thing of, oh, I'm going to miss this, you know? And like when you go away and you're like, oh, I feel sad because like I'm missing out on like the family too.

Yeah, I get it. Okay, then there's another family topic, which is that Charlotte is saying, my brother Wesley is coming into town because he is divorcing his wife, Leslie. So Wesley and Leslie are getting divorced.

Amazing.

Yeah.

And then she's like, I'm organizing a dinner. Carrie, will you come and have dinner with my brother? And then Carrie shows up with Samantha and Charlotte is so rude.

She's like, why did you bring her? You know how she gets. And basically, Samantha is being super-Samantha, like, oh, I see good looks run in the family.

And oh, we should go to a jazz session. And Charlotte's like, oh, I don't know if I'm in the mood for that. Because like basically she wants to cure Wesley.

No one will judge more than Charlotte.

She's such a judgey-wudgy.

She's so judgey.

There's this conversation where Charlotte is like making him muffins.

And he's like, you know what I really need? Like a stiff drink. Where's your vodka?

And she's like, I don't have vodka. You loved it when Granny made you muffins. It always cheered you up.

And the dude is like, no, I need like a stiff drink. Like I am depressed. Long story short, Charlotte obviously leaves Wesley with Samantha.

Next thing you know, Charlotte wakes up in her apartment and Samantha is just flaunting her nakedness in her kitchen.

Hysterical.

Yes. Wearing the brother's t-shirt.

100%.

Looking for coffee. It's like, babe, where's the coffee?

Is it on my clothes?

And Charlotte is just like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like did you have to sleep with my brother? Like is your vagina in like Time Out New York or whatever the equivalent is?

Because like, I swear to God, like are there tours by the hour? How dare you?

Oh, she's such a slut-shamer.

Totally.

Such a slut-shamer.

How do you feel about your friends hooking up with your sisters?

I think especially if it was like a person like Samantha that I was like friends with, you know what you're getting with Samantha, right?

Exactly, which is what Charlotte wanted.

Yeah, which is why she... But if I had a depressed brother that was going through a divorce, I know that it's not going to go anywhere further than a shank because it's Samantha.

Yeah.

He's having a terrible time. He's met Samantha who's free, fun, is the type of person that make you feel really fucking happy. I'd literally like crack on.

Like, I don't know if it's just me, but it wouldn't piss me off.

I feel like I would probably be like, fine, things need to happen, but maybe I don't need to know about those things.

I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't have a brother, so it's kind of like I can't like see how I'd feel about it, but I think I'd find it hilarious. Like I don't, things like that, I don't think would bother me at all, actually, no.

All right. And what about, what about, would you, have you ever had to like cheer up one of your sisters after a breakup, and what was your like survival kit?

God, the thing is, I've been, I've been the breakup sister. Like both of my sisters have been with their partners since they were in their early 20s. But Lauren, I remember there was a summer back in, God, I was so young.

I was, I think I was around 17 years old. So we're talking like 2011. Okay.

It was the summer of 2011 and Lauren was going, she had just been broken up with a horrendous boyfriend. He was awful. So this summer, we just dedicated to getting absolutely fucked up.

Like every day, just getting trashed. I was just here for it because I was 17. So I was like, fuck yeah.

We found there were two of our guy friends that literally would just come over every single day. We'd be in the garden just drinking and just smoking shisha.

That was very 2011.

Yeah, it really is, isn't it? I couldn't go near shisha now because I've really ruined it for myself. But we were just being feral and I think that she liked just having that company.

I never left her side.

Yeah. That's a good survival kit.

Yeah. Just getting fucked up. No, it was also just the fact that it was just really fun.

We had a lot of fun. It wasn't the fact that we were trash, but we definitely did get trash on quite a few occasions. But it was more in the sense of like we were having a genuine laugh.

Yeah. And I wanted her to feel good about herself again. She felt awful.

I mean, this guy just tore her apart. Like he made her feel all of these horrible things about herself. What dare he?

Mm-hmm. Bastard.

Okay. Then we continue to follow Carrie into her little relationship with Justin Theroux. And they are coming back to Carrie's flat after they have had brunch with the family.

And Carrie has had a fantastic time with this guy's family. So they start fooling around. And at one point, Justin Theroux is just getting too excited.

And basically comes before anything really happens.

Okay.

Which is unfortunate. It's like she reaches for a tissue and then she's discussing with her girlfriends. And Samantha is just like, fuck that.

He couldn't get to park the car in the garage. Let him go before he stains all your sheets. Have you ever, probably not with a man, but like have you ever had this problem with a man?

Yes.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

How did you how did you work around that?

Well, you know, it's really funny is that this is before I realized I was gay.

I thought I genuinely had a kink for it because I loved it. I was like, no, I don't have to do anything.

Yeah.

Like I was almost like I just kind of took it as like a compliment. And also I don't have to do anything.

So it was kind of like a win-win, you know, that's amazing.

I thought it was great. I thought it was fantastic. Actually, I wanted to modify that.

Yeah, I bet.

Okay.

What would you tell your friend if they were, would you be a Samantha and be like, run girl?

I don't know.

Because, well, first of all, it could have just been that one time.

Yeah.

Yeah. Secondly, a good family is hard to come by. Like, because...

Carrie says. Not only the good family, but also the type of person that a good family would breed.

Yeah.

That's how I look at it. I'm not just looking at the family. I'm looking at the fact that, like, he's more likely going to be a pretty fucking decent guy if he's come from this great family.

Like, he's going to be fucking cool, you know?

Yeah.

And so I'm kind of on Carrie's side here. I would stick around.

What's interesting, though, is that because his family is so sex positive, at one point Carrie's having lunch with his mom, and she's just like, well, you know, in my house, there was none of like this, whatever, tutti and pee pee for their sexual

organs. Like, you have a penis, you have a vagina and blah, blah, blah. So I've always encouraged for them to speak about this in like a very, you know, like appropriate way.

Yeah.

So when Carrie tries to have a conversation, because it happens another two times.

Okay.

Yeah. So basically she's running out of tissues. But Carrie tries to have a conversation with him, and she's just like, basically not like you, like, got out of that one.

But like, I'm very flattered that you get so excited around me. But like, let's talk about it. Let's take it slowly.

And let's try to maybe, you know, work at your pace to make sure that we both get to the finish line. And the dude is like, no, fuck that. I don't want to do it.

I'm sick and tired of talking about sex. Why does everything have to be about sex? I've been talking about sex and some too.

I don't want to talk about it.

Who's insecure? And not insecure, he's exalted.

Fragile.

Very fragile.

But do you think that that's the thing, that maybe when you are so, I don't know, like fluent and supposed to be comfortable and everything is just so out there, that it gets to a point where you're like, fuck, I don't want to have to talk about this

anymore. Like, can we just let things go?

Well, you probably find it quite triggering because, you know, probably having quite a few, maybe what would deem, like especially a child, like awkward conversations with your parents, like if they're very sexually open, right?

I agree with the whole like vagina penis thing, whatever. But like, if everything was like always talked about, if sex was always talked about by your parents, it would probably do two things. Like, one, make you...

Associate sex with parents?

Yeah, associate sex with parents, but then also get like almost exhausted by that.

And maybe subconsciously his body is like, I don't even want this fucking sex, because like, all my life has ever been has been sexless, just fucking gets over with.

But then like, I don't know, I mean, what's worse, to have like a flaccid penis or one that comes too fast? What would you choose?

I guess flaccid penis is easier to fix with medication.

Viagra.

Yes. And premature ejaculation.

Can't they just have sex again? Like if they've come, can they not just go again?

Or they need they need a bit of like recovery time. It depends.

Boring. Boring. No, I don't get it.

But like, I think with his situation, they're like he was also just like shooting her the fuck down. He's obviously a very fragile about it. And it is embarrassing.

Like so many men get embarrassed by shit like that. So probably like I don't want to talk about this because this is fucking tedious.

Do you ever get that in a lesbian scenario? Does that?

No, there's not the equivalent. Do you know what I mean?

Like is there never not a thing that is like, oh no, like that's embarrassing. Like what about a quiff?

A quiff.

A quiff.

Hysterical. Really funny.

Okay.

But also like when you're scissoring, you can really make some horrendous fart sounds. With like if you're getting the wrong angle, you know when people do those like fart sounds in their armpits?

Yeah.

It sounds like that.

And like nobody stops.

It's just like, go, go, go.

You just have to laugh and kind of try and maneuver to stop making that sound.

It sounds so friendly and safe.

It is friendly and safe. But no, there's nothing wrong with a quiff. Like if someone queefs and then they're like, oh, what the fuck?

Like get the fuck out. Get out.

She's probably straight.

She's probably straight. Yeah. Run.

Okay.

So then I think Carrie, well, he's like, no, our parents or my parents are expecting us. We got to go. So they go.

I like, this is why I love Justin Theroux, because he commits so much to the bit of being like just a sourpuss. I like not being able to shake being like the dude that just, you know, prematurely ejaculated again with his girlfriend.

And like it's just me like, where's the scallion cream cheese? Like running around the entire house like, it's not there. It's like, look at the fridge, it's not there.

And like the mother is just like, what the fuck is on about with him? And like Carrie's just so uncomfortable. And...

He's got himself really wound up.

Yeah, the lesbian sister has her lesbian girlfriend over there.

And at one point, Carrie's just like, oh, the lesbian girlfriend and I looked at each other like, we're basically like strangers without visas in this foreign land, like this is not about us.

And Carrie is like, okay, I think I'm going to have to excuse myself. I have a deadline. Starts walking out and then the mother goes chasing after her.

And this to me is a plot hole because this is not believable with a character that I built up his mom to be, but also such an anti-feminist like little storyline. She chases after Carrie and she's like, wait, where are you going? Like, what's wrong?

I thought you guys were doing so well.

And Carrie's like, well, no, we weren't.

Like, I don't think it's going to work out, but you and I can still be friends. And she's like, well, you know, what's the problem? Maybe we can talk about it.

And she's like, no, we can talk about it. She's like, well, I know what it's about. Because like your predecessor was not as kind of like kept together and she said what it was.

Talk about the joke about him doing short stories. But like not everything is about sex. Can you not like put that aside?

Most marriages are sexless anyway. And you and I have such a special connection. What do you think about that?

I mean, it's horrendously like intrusive.

I think you'd probably be like, give me your daughter Franny and then you have a deal.

Legit, legit.

I think that she probably feels like maybe she feels like guilt. Maybe she knows deep down that she's caused him to be this way. So almost wants to like not let him lose another girl because of it.

Like, you know what I mean? And then also probably just genuinely, yes, she's liked her so she wants to keep her. Like, I've definitely been in similar situations like that before.

They want you to stay because they like you. Yeah. And I do also think that mothers and sons are just weird.

Sorry, they are.

Yeah, totally. But like, do you think that there's a equation where you can like split up and be amicable and still keep your relationship with it in loss?

Why not? You know?

Yeah.

If you can keep it amicable, fuck yeah. I think it's actually like really nice because you can form such nice connections with these type of people. I think that it's really sweet.

I think, but like her telling her that she should just settle, though, for not having sex is also really fucking wrong.

Yeah.

And also maybe say to your son that like...

Talk about sexual mutilation.

Yeah, but he's also not like doing anything to like get her off, even though he's come like, he's such a man, such a man. Like there are no other options.

Totally.

Pussyhole. He's a fucking loser.

Totally.

Okay, I agree.

And then he's screaming over fucking sour cream. After doing that.

It was scallion cream cheese. I understand. Okay.

And then also the reason why I think it's great that you're here for this episode is because there's Carrie's voiceover. She's walking out from the house saying like, Oh, you know, yes, this family was great.

But at the end of the day, we get to choose our own family. And she's walking towards the girls because she's talking about her friends as her family.

And it's a very silly scene because she's like, they're all having brunch without Carrie and Carrie like knocks on the window. She's like, Oh my God, you want me to come in? Should I come in?

I'm gonna go in. And then they're like gossiping. Like it's just this wholesome thing about like, fine, guys come and go.

The girls are forever, honey.

Your girlfriends are forever.

Yeah, they're your family.

Like, I definitely feel like that. Like with you guys. Like I don't have my family around here, you know.

Talk about my family.

Like they're all the way in Spain.

Yeah, exactly.

All over, actually.

All over.

And the same with mine, like all over. And I think that it's so nice to have your like chosen family. And you definitely don't need that.

And I think that that was a big part of what I found with like my breakup so hard because like not only had me and her become family, just as a whole, like we almost became our own little mini unit with Ziggy.

But also we were a part of this family with you guys. And I was so scared to lose that. And I'm glad that we haven't, but you know what I mean?

Like it felt like all of that was being like ripped away. And it definitely is, I know it's not the same, but you know, I'm glad that we're all still able to like hang as a whole.

We're all still a family, a very dysfunctional one, but still a family. OK, so now on to the last bit of the episode. So advice for the girls.

I'm going to finish up with Miranda's storyline, because Miranda goes out with this dude that keeps flaunting his kid. His kid is present at every date that they go on. And then at one point...

That's so irresponsible.

It's so irresponsible, so emotionally slutty.

Yeah. And then at one point, Miranda's sleeping over at his place, goes naked to the bathroom, which also, if the kid is in the house, don't.

Yeah, no fucking way.

And she's peeing, and then the kid thinks it's the dad inside the bathroom, like, Dad, can I show you something? And then he goes to open the door, and then Miranda shuts it closed. So she hits him in the head.

And there's a whole, like, meh! Like, he cries, and he needs stitches, and basically the dad is hugging the boy and being like, I think it's better if you go.

Right.

And Miranda's just like, no, let me go with you to A&E, like, I can help. And he's like, just go. So what would you have done if you were caught with your pants down by your significant other's kid in the bathroom and accidentally hit the kid?

I mean, I probably would have knee jerked the same way that she did.

I don't see this. You know what I mean? Like so inappropriate when we want them to see it.

Yeah. If they were then like really weird about it, I'd be like, okay, I'm getting the fuck away from here. Like, I'm not even going to ask you that.

I'm going to like go like you are just like you're being crazy.

Yeah, totally.

Like that just wouldn't fly with me. How would you feel? Would you feel the same?

I mean, I feel like I would totally be wearing something to my walk to the bathroom.

But I'd also lock the door in the bathroom too.

Yes, especially if there's no lock in the bathroom.

If I had gone naked, I would have put like a towel around me.

I think I've definitely had a kid. My nephew loves to walk in on me in the bathroom. Yeah, because he's a pervert.

Yeah, Hugo. Yeah, he just fucking loves it. And he would just sometimes break his way in there and just stand there.

And by that point, I would just go accept it. Yeah. I'm like, well, what am I supposed to do?

But then again, you're not sleeping with the dad.

No.

So I feel like I would have totally have a knee-jerk reaction to, but I feel like I would have been a lot more like, what the fuck do you think you're doing by talking to me like that?

Yeah.

I just said that I would go, I obviously didn't do this on purpose.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it's also your fault that your kid is literally always there. Like I shouldn't even be at the point where I'm meeting him yet.

Yeah.

Like that's irresponsible.

I liked you, but like the way you're behaving now, no fucking way.

Okay. So then what about Charlotte? How would you have navigated maybe walking into one of your friends in your place after sleeping with one of your sisters?

I think honestly, laugh and walk away.

I think that.

I would have been like, great.

Now we all get to have breakfast together.

Yeah.

No, I couldn't do that with my brother. That's gross.

I mean, I would probably lean into it and want to make everyone feel as awkward as possible. It wouldn't happen with Samantha, but probably the brother, make it really awkward.

I feel like I'd be like, dude, you could have least taken my brother to your place.

Yeah.

Imagine if I had to hear anything.

I mean, I would have been like, ew.

Yeah.

But also whatever, you know.

OK. And then what if you were Samantha and you were slut shamed by one of your best friends?

I would like, God, you're so fucking boring. Like she's, I'm sorry, Charlotte is so boring. She's got a stick up her ass and she's so boring about everything.

She's so judgy. I'd be like, you can do whatever you want with your body, but you don't get to police how I behave with mine.

Yeah.

And that's that.

Yeah.

And the thing is, like, yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's not Charlotte's place.

Yeah.

And also, yeah, he might be her brother, but like he's not underage. She's not his mom. Like that's your adult.

He's an adult man. He's got his own choices.

Yeah.

That's he's just as bad as she is.

Yeah.

In that situation.

Well, he actually said to Charlotte, like, thank God for Samantha, because like I've been going crazy after this fucking divorce, like gone to see like a priest, a therapist, a life coach. And like, all I needed was to get laid. All I needed was sex.

You have a great friend in Samantha. So Charlotte comes to her senses and shows up to Samantha's with muffins to say good. Thank you and so on.

Good.

See, that's exactly what I said. Sometimes you just need a good shag.

I, yeah, but like if I had been Samantha and Charlotte shows up with like the bullshit muffins, I would have been like, excuse you.

I would have been like, of course you're bringing muffins. Like she's so little house on the prairie. I'd be like, you're just really leaning into your stereotype more.

Yeah.

Yeah, no.

I mean, I would find her exhausting to be friends with, honestly, Charlotte.

Yeah. Okay. And finally, Carrie, not that you would have to deal with like a prematurely ejaculating penis.

Let's just say a woman that's just terrible in bed.

Yeah.

Would you try to make it work if like everything else is there, you guys have like a similar job, he's obviously smart, he's successful, his family is great?

I think I would have to say, look, either we're going to have this conversation and we're going to... or it's over. Like you choose, you've got the choice.

Yeah.

You can either throw your toys out the pram and do this all over again with the next girl, or we can work on this and then that's it.

Yeah. That's what I would say, because I'm sure you could take something for that.

Yeah. So that's basically it.

I mean, we're the people of the heat wave, so I'm not going to put you through any of more of this.

My eyes are watering. I'm so hot that my eyes are sweating.

But I feel like my makeup is now all melted.

I barely got any on for that reason, because I just knew it was just going to melt. I really am the lesbian today.

You did dress up.

You're matching the couch, which is kind of very me.

Sitting in a lot more of it. Yeah. But thank you.

I really enjoyed that.

Well, do you want to tell our listeners where to find you? What you guys are up to? Anything exciting coming up?

Yeah.

So you can follow us on Lesbian Selfie Club Pod on Instagram and Lesbian Selfie Club on TikTok. You can follow me at Underscore It's Freya and Underscore Underscore It's Freya on TikTok. Did I say TikTok first?

Yeah, Instagram and TikTok, whatever. Heatwave Brain, whatever, Underscore, whatever. And we're also doing two Lesbian Y Nights and one Lesbian Pub Night per month.

And they are always in the links in our bios. So for everything there, and you can also catch us on Spotify and any other streaming service if you want to listen to the podcast.

If you're done with pre-mature ejaculating penises or flushing penises, I'm gonna go over to the vagina. Yeah, yeah, this is it.

Yeah.

All right. Well, thank you so much, Freya.

Thank you. Thank you, guys.

Bye.

Take care.

Bye.

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