Love at First Sight, Toothbrushes & Why Carrie Keeps Playing the Cool Girl — S2E7 with Sabrina Kennedy, Rock Star Witch

About This Episode

In Season 2 episode seven of And Just Like That… We Found Therapy, host Isabel MV sits down with rock star, witch and intuitive healer Sabrina Kennedy to unpack Sex and the City's "The Chicken Dance." It's the episode where Miranda watches a man fall in love with her interior designer after one look, Carrie gets a toothbrush after a year and thinks it's romantic, Charlotte falls for a man whose father gropes her at a wedding, and Samantha can't remember sleeping with the man she's currently sleeping with.

What We Cover

• Is love at first sight real — or is it a spiritual/sexual connection we're misreading as love?

• Why getting what you wish for doesn't always mean it was meant for you (Miranda edition)

• Carrie celebrating a toothbrush after a year: the bare minimum dressed up as a milestone

• Why Mr. Big not staying for Carrie's poem is a direct reflection of his own emotional limitations — not her worth

• Falling in love with potential vs. what's actually being presented to you

• Charlotte at weddings: why we project entire futures onto people we've known for five minutes

• The father who grabbed Charlotte's ass and the son who blamed her dress — unpacked

• Samantha sleeping with someone she doesn't remember: what her sexuality is actually a coping mechanism for

• Why Miranda isn't being seen because she doesn't see herself — and how desperation blocks attraction

• Playing the cool girl: what it costs when you suppress your needs to avoid rocking the boat

• People can only meet you as deep as they have met themselves — and Big has barely scratched the surface

About Our Guest

Sabrina Kennedy is a rock star, psychic and intuitive healer based in London — currently on a UK tour running June 6th through June 18th. She is also co-hosting a women's healing retreat in Costa del Sol, Spain, bringing together energy healing, feminine biology and movement to help women reconnect with their ancestral blueprint and divine feminine power. Find her tickets, psychic readings and retreat details at @sabrinakofficial on Instagram — all links in the show notes.

Transcript

Hello, everybody, we are back. And for this episode, I am bringing no other than Sabrina Kennedy. Sabrina is a rockstar witch.

We met in 2020 in the dog park in Notting Hill. And more and more, this show is more friends and neighbors than it is therapists. But like, let me tell you, you are gonna love Sabrina on this episode.

She is not only a rockstar, but she's also a witch, and she has like a very big intuition. So I loved all her hot takes in to this episode, which is a very fun one. Of course, she brought her dog, Johnny Cash.

Even though he cried like a baby during the recording of this episode, I want to emphasize that no dogs were harmed during the recording. However, my garden was indeed harmed.

Nothing that I cannot fix now that I'm a bit more well versed in gardening. But I'll leave you to it. I hope you guys really enjoy this episode.

I'm very excited to be back. And for the guests that I have for the rest of this season. And even though Sabrina kept skipping forward to the next episode, I love the chaotic energy that she brought into it.

And I am so happy we are back with such a bang. I'll see you on the other side. I love y'all.

Bye. Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode of And Just Like That We Found Therapy. I have with me today, Sabrina, and I am so happy that it is her who's like popping our cherry back from the hiatus, because me and Sabrina go way back.

We actually met in 2020.

At the dog park, because we both have dogs.

Yes.

And this relationship was needed, especially back then, in the height of COVID.

100%. And I was just telling Sabrina that I should name this podcast Friends and Neighbors, because more and more, there's people from Notting Hill coming on rather than therapists.

Exactly. And I just think our dogs brought us together.

Our dogs brought us together, but also Sabrina is my girl, because she's an East Coast girlie. She's from Boston, where I went to school. Her dog's name is Johnny Cash, which is very epic.

And also, she's a rock star witch.

Rock star witch sums it up perfectly. We've been to plenty of parties, gatherings, where my psychic abilities have come through. You know, a glass of wine or two usually catapults them, and I start to channel.

So I know you know my abilities and what I can do.

Yes. I offered Sabrina a glass of wine when she came in, and I'm glad she said no, because I can't be channeled before we record. But today, she's also here to help me unpack season two, episode seven of Sex and the City, The Chicken Dance.

And I'm very excited because I think this is where Sex and the City starts to kind of like spread that toxic message that we get from Sex and the City. So the episode is all about love at first sight. Does it like, does it exist?

Does it not exist? And this is mostly through Miranda, who is hosting her first house guest in her new apartment, this guy that she knows that is named Jeremy Fields. He lives in London and he writes for The Economist.

And she thinks, okay, I'll get him like a pullout couch. But we've been in an email relationship for long enough to know that this is flirty. It's going down.

Yes.

I feel like all the signs are there. And as the episode progresses, we've all been on Miranda. We've all been friend zoned.

We've all, you know, we get our place ready. We're, you know, we're really excited. And especially where she's been coming from a place of desperation.

You know, she thought, oh, I get my own place now.

Yes.

I'm going to find love. Isn't that how it usually works?

Yes.

And now we're in the place where it's really all systems go. So it's quite a surprise, the behavior later that follows.

Yes, because Jeremy, I'm sorry, he is rude. He is a bad guess.

He's rude.

And I think, you know, as the episode progresses, we see how, as women, no wonder why we get down and out, especially in relationships or in that first stage of courting and meeting someone, because all the signs were there for a green light.

Yes.

They all were.

Yes. Especially like he accepted her invitation and then he was like, I'm tired of dating. I'm ready to settle down.

Cue in, knock, knock. It's my end table. In walks Miranda's interior designer.

And there's like the cutest meet cute that you could hope for in television. And Miranda calls it and she's like, Oh, isn't it amazing when you are in the middle of the perfect first date? It was just not her in it.

Yeah.

It wasn't aligned for her. And I think, you know, that's where it comes in the subject of that meeting for the interior designer. And Jeremy, that was love at first sight, you could say.

And so that's really where the episode takes off with, is this real? Is love at first sight real?

Yes. Is it real for you?

For me, I boil it down to, like, from an energetic perspective, from a healing perspective, it's energy. With anyone for me, it's energy. Do I believe in that moment that you can meet someone and go, wow, that's the person for me?

Yes and no.

Yeah.

I believe you pick up on the energy, but I also don't believe you genuinely know someone until you've gone through ups and downs, until you've been with them for a long time.

Yes.

But I believe that's also a sexual connection as well. I don't believe that's love at first sight.

I believe sometimes you have more gas in the tank to put up with someone's downs and ups if you feel that pull that is you can't explain.

Yes, and that is where that spiritual connection comes in, which I do believe in.

Yeah.

But I also believe love comes in through those ups and downs, through getting to know someone, if that makes sense. But spiritual connection, yes, I do believe that that connection.

So love at first sight can be mistaken for a sexual connection, that spiritual connection.

Yes.

Or, you know, people are like, it was love at first sight, Cupid came in.

Yes.

But does it turn into a trauma bond? Does it turn into...? So you have to think about it that way as well.

Yeah.

I think I believe in love at first sight, but like similar to you, because there's something prior there from a different life or something like that.

Past lives exist, girl.

Oh, they do. They do. Tell that to Scarlett.

She's told me everything that you told her about her past life.

Past lives all the way.

Yeah. So I believe in that. And like, it's just unfortunate that for Jeremy, it was the interior designer, not Miranda, because then I love that Miranda becomes the most Miranda.

I've seen her since I've started to do those episodes because she's just like, dude, they told me that when somebody gets their own place, a proposal goes down, little did I know that it was like, not mine, because this Jeremy guy is leaving after a

It is.

And you have to sit and go, okay, would this really happen? And yes, there are some people in real life that I know that have gotten engaged after a month of being together.

So it's also, though, it's the perspective of Miranda, the energy that she's putting out there is such desperation. And it's almost like, be careful what you wish for, because the proposal did go down.

Yes.

It just was not hers.

Yes.

So you have to be careful what you wish for. And that's, you know, but she's not putting out the energy. It's really desperation for her.

Yes.

It's desperate.

Yes.

But I love that she's like, Charlotte, this is your fault. If you had never introduced me to Madeleine, you would have never, like Jeremy, would have fallen in love with me. And now I'd be throwing my own engagement party, which I think is hilarious.

I think it's hilarious as well.

And it's also look at the string of events. Like, if she didn't feel down and out, she wouldn't be in the bar where she met, you know, her now party.

Yes.

Events are all faded and aligned. Yes. But I do find her attitude quite funny because everything that she wanted to happen did happen.

It just wasn't on her cards or her time.

Yes.

I love that you say that because sometimes you do need a little reminder that sometimes when it feels like the universe is rejecting you, because she keeps saying like, nobody sees me, and they're walking back into her building, and the doorman is

like, I'm sorry, who are you here to see? He's like, I live here. Sometimes it's just because there's a higher purpose. It's unfortunate that in the storyline, Steve doesn't quite make it all right for Miranda, but she did love him.

She did love him, and I think she met Steve in that moment where she was sad.

She was like, no one sees me. In the beginning, he did prove to her, like there are men or people out there that see you, that will love you, that will honor you.

And that are for you.

That are for you. And I think we get so down and out when it doesn't work out for someone, or we think the universe is against us. But actually, you don't get what you think you want.

You get what you need. You get what you need.

Yeah. Oh, boy. Which brings me to my girl, Carrie, because in the same storyline, like Carrie says, I was more and more a house guest at Mr.

Big's, and she forgets her toothbrush, so she asks Mr. Big, Hey, do you have a spare toothbrush?

And the guy just like comes about and like in his perfect flat with his perfect bathroom and his perfect electric toothbrush, he pulls out a little pink toothbrush, whatever cap or whatever for her. He's the blue, she's the pink.

And Carrie gets the two blue and pink and like does a little thing, and then she brushes her teeth and she tells the girls like after a year, this is what, you know, really gets me off. Like I'm super happy about this development in my life.

Whereas these other two people have been together for a week and they're engaged. What do you think about Carrie giving so much meaning to that?

I've been there, but I've been there with a lot of my relationships where, you know, Mr. Biggs, his insecurities and fears are of commitment. And that is just so he doesn't get hurt.

Men do that so they don't get hurt. It's a coping mechanism. But for me, I've been in the situation of, in that situation, but you're not actually being chosen.

Yeah.

And then I'm now with someone who, from the beginning, chose me.

Yeah.

And that was uncomfortable for me because I had been Carrie.

Yes.

For most of my relationships.

Did it make you feel like it was...

What do you mean it was uncomfortable for you?

It was uncomfortable because my normal was...

To have to fight a little bit?

To have to fight, and I would accept the bare minimum.

Yeah.

She is accepting the bare minimum.

Yes.

After a year, getting a toothbrush, that is next level screwed up.

Yes.

Okay, because I now with my partner, I was originally like, I like you, I want to take you out. We're going to hang out. Let's do this.

I was like, I've never had someone see me.

Yeah.

Be like, I want to get to know you. Let's do this.

Yeah.

She's settling for a toothbrush.

Yeah. Pick me.

We're taught that though.

Yeah.

Well, I feel like we're taught that though. Oh, my goodness. He finally decided to give me a toothbrush after a year.

This is a big thing.

It means, I feel like, yeah, it means even more when it comes from a person that is obviously so emotionally unavailable. You're like, I'm special. What we have is special because this is a big deal to him.

But that shouldn't make a blip in her life because she should be expecting a key, a conversation about moving in together because that's what she wants.

About what they are. Even Miranda called her out when she didn't show up for drinks with her. She was like, oh, so you're going to jump and go to his house and he's going to make you food, but I'm over here upset and you bailed on drinks.

We've all been there. We've been there where we're like, oh my God, so-and-so has texted me. I'm so excited.

Should I go see him? And it's like nine o'clock at night and you're out with your girls and it's like, no, darling, that's a booty call. You deserve more than that.

Yes.

I have been thinking to myself more and more, I don't want somebody who treats me like an option. I want somebody who treats me as a priority, not even a choice.

It's-and I will say, if you are used to something, like what Carrie is in right now, when that does come along, it's a shock to the central nervous system because you're used to just being that second choice.

Like, I was always a second choice or I was friend zoned horribly. Like, I'd be like, oh my God, it's really moving forward. They've opened up about their life to me.

We're hanging out. Like, I'm the one. And then it's like, oh my God, I met this girl and she's amazing.

And I'm like, oh my God, it's going to be me. It's going to be me. And they're like, it's so and so.

And your heart just shatters. You're like, wait, I invested all that time into our friendship and everything. I mean, so I get the toothbrush, but we cannot settle for a toothbrush.

Yes.

OK, so we're not settling for the toothbrush. Then my next question is like, Charlotte, is me such a Charlotte in this episode by being like, you know, man, that you shouldn't think about it like that.

What you should take out of this is like, even if you're single now, you could be engaged within a week. What do you think about Charlotte's take on the whole thing?

Charlotte has a very kind of warped perception of reality. Like, yes, you could be engaged in a week.

Yeah.

But that's not the point. The point of the matter is she was she had this fantasy in her head that once she got a flat, it was going to be, you know, I'm going to meet someone. I'm going to get proposed.

She had this idea of what her life was going to look like, and it was not that. Yeah. So as a friend, let's bring her back down to reality and be honest.

So I understand Charlotte, where she's coming from, because that's the best advice she can give. And that's her perception. It's personally not advice I'd give.

I'd be like, girl, listen, sorry I introduced you to him. He's an asshole and this is what happened. We're moving on.

Like, we're going to find someone else. Yes. We will find someone.

He was not it.

He was not it. And then whatever, they were planning the wedding within a week. They're like, or four weeks is the time when they have to like plan a wedding at the Ritz or something like that.

And then we get again, like the same situation for Carrie and Charlotte, etc. We're like, Carrie's super excited because Mr. Big wants to be a part of the wedding.

Because Carrie has been asked to read a poem at the wedding. And Mr. Big is like, oh, I would have missed that for the world.

And then he starts making fun of the poem.

Yes. And I think it's also when she was reading the poem and the fact that he left to take a call.

Yes.

That just goes to show his, these are all his own projections. It has nothing to do with her actually.

No.

It's all of his own projections of what love is.

So we don't know if that happened in childhood, if he was rejected as a child, where it came from, but the fact that he got up and took calls and couldn't listen to her and listen to her being vulnerable, that's a direct reflection of his own crap,

Yeah.

And you know what I thought, though? It's just like, it's not rejection of her. It's just like, she does not matter.

No, she doesn't.

She is just like a nice accessory that entertains him most of the time.

But like, of course, he's going to take a call because what matters is him, his job, his apartment, his wants, his needs. And like it didn't even occur to him that it would hurt her feelings to not stand there.

No, because he, that is a very simple act that means quite a bit to her. And all he had to do was be present.

Yeah.

But he couldn't do that.

Yeah.

Because he can't see past his perception of himself.

Yes.

And you can, people can only meet you as deep as they have met themselves.

Yes.

And he has only met himself here. She's looking for this.

Yes.

And he's not, that doesn't make better than or less than. It just means he is not ready to give her what she's truly longing for, but she's settling for that. So...

Because here we, like I'm skipping a bit forward, but like at the end of the wedding, he's being an asshole because I think Carrie says like, Hey, you miss my poem, you miss most of the reception, but you know nothing like a slow dance to like kiss

Oh, that was the worst for me, the worst.

I love the fact that she was trying to salvage it, but like the worst is his answer was like, maybe later I hate dancing while people are eating.

And like she gets pissed and at one point she has a conversation with him where I was like, okay, standing up clapping for her. Like she's about to say, like, I think we want different things.

I want somebody who's going to stay with me until the end. And then I think she sees like maybe him getting scared and she's like of a wedding.

So my question to you here is, how much do you think that we can educate our partner to meet us, as you were saying, a bit where we need them? Because obviously nobody's perfect.

No, nobody is perfect. But for Mr. Big in this moment, I mean, it's been a year, but for Mr.

Big, it just seems like he doesn't, he can't give her what she wants.

Yeah.

So it's up to her to decide if that person in that moment, what you truly want is a committed, loving, caring relationship and marriage someday. He's not meeting her at that level.

And I think sometimes we think we can change people and make them choose us, but sometimes we can't.

And in this situation, if you don't watch any more of the episodes, in this situation, because we're examining this episode, you look at him and you feel for him a bit, but you also look at Carrie and she's enabling the behavior.

Of a thousand percent.

She's enabling the behavior. So, you know, if both of them were on the same page, if we're going to take this slope, but it's been a year. It's not been four months.

It's not been six. It's been a year and he is not willing to give her anything more. She's begging.

Yeah.

And when you start begging and chasing and the relationship is done.

In my opinion, because I've been there, I've begged people to love me, begged people, you know, but I was enabling that behavior and that boils down to your self-worth.

A thousand percent. And I think at the end of the day, also, if you make things too easy, like I think she's given away too much, like what is going to be the motivation for him to adjust his behavior, to meet her where she needs to be? To leave.

To leave.

That is all you can do. If he is not meeting her, and listen, no one's perfect. We're all going to have traits that we have to work on.

You have to compromise the relationship. But with this situation, she has given so much of herself.

Yeah.

And I think a bit she's realizing that she's losing herself a little bit. Okay. She's losing herself.

And I think in that situation, the only way for him to realize is she has to leave and know her self-worth. She's set her boundaries and he's not meeting them.

Yeah. So she keeps adjusting her boundaries and also her standards. Okay.

So my next question is, because Charlotte's storyline in this episode, I love, because I think I have been a Charlotte, and there's two occasions where you can be a Charlotte and fast-forward a relationship.

One is weddings, and two is when you're both abroad and you meet somebody while traveling.

Have you ever been in Charlotte's position of meeting somebody and being like, this could be our song, you know, like that dynamic that they had, that they're like, they're both fantasizing about building a life together pretty seriously, but it's

all going so fast that you know it's going to come crashing down the flames. But you never think so in the moment.

Yes, I've been there, especially where you meet someone, everything looks good on paper, you have an amazing, you know, you meet them at a wedding or a first date, and you're just like, girls, this is the one I know it's going to be, and you feel

Back to the love at first sight or maybe energetic.

Yes, you feel that energy, you're like, and they look good on paper.

Yeah.

But then you deep down don't know them, they don't know you, you don't know their triggers, you don't know their traumas.

And I've been there where you're like, this is the one, they, it's going to happen. It all comes crumbling down because we are addicted to the fantasy.

Yeah.

We're falling in love with the fantasy, we're not falling in love with the person, we're falling in love with the potential.

Yes.

So many times we fall in love with the potential.

And the potential is us. Because you put it there. It's your projection.

Then you're like, oh my goodness, the wedding is going to be here, the babies will be named this.

Imagine how they'll look when I'm with like, no, no. So you have to sit there and look at what is being presented to you.

Reel it back in.

Reel it back in. But we've all been there, I've been there. And you have to come back down to reality and be like, okay, actually, accept it for what it is.

If it's going to be in just in that moment, enjoy it. But it's how they show up after and it's how you show up after.

Yes.

We've all waited for that text, that call, that, you know what I mean?

Yes. Yes, we have. Have you ever been approached by, like, your partner's date's love interest father, like Charlotte did?

I...

no. I've had comments made by people I've dated's fathers, but I've never been approached by someone's father.

That was insane. I was like, it can't be. And I'm curious to know what you think of, like, Martin.

I think it was his name's reaction of, like, oh, my father is not going to, whatever, lose his composure just because a woman is wearing a slutty dress.

I just, for me, it was... it's almost that double standard of, like, what do you mean slutty dress?

Yeah, like, she's the one in the wrong and not your dad for putting his hand in my butt.

For me, it's, I don't care if I'm walking naked down the road or if I'm in a dress, like, you have no right one to smack my ass.

Yeah.

Two, I love how we're excusing the misogynistic behavior, and it's your father who is hitting on the woman you are interested in.

Yes.

There's just, there's so many different compositions that play here that for me it's no, you are, and especially if I gave you my body, homeboy, like, let's relax. Okay. You literally took...

That's true.

The minute you sleep with someone as a woman, you're giving them your energy.

Yes.

You're taking on their energy.

Yes.

Like, I let you into my space.

Okay. I have a portal in between my legs.

Yeah.

And you're going to, and your father went and grabbed my ass.

Yes.

Are you okay?

Yes.

And you're telling me because I wore a slutty dress.

Which is not even that slutty. I'm sorry. I once was dressed like a flamingo to a wedding with, like, a whole slit on the side of my leg.

I was like, it's not even, but maybe, hey.

Listen, what is slutty?

What is slutty?

What is slutty?

This is the year of 2025, our Lord. Nothing is slutty anymore.

Like, you know what? Our Lord Savior is the only one who can judge my freaking dresses. Like, women, you know, men think, oh, women wear that for me.

No, women wear what they feel beautiful in.

Yes.

Okay. And if she wanted to wear that dress because she looked banging in it, then let her.

That's so prerogative.

She's a goddess. That creepy old dude was like, oh, let me have a smack at that. But then your son was inside her.

Are we okay?

No.

No. So who's at fault here? Hello.

Do you know what I mean?

Thousand percent. OK, so then I think the wedding is wrapping up and Mr. Big is being an asshole.

He just wants to leave. He's not making an effort. He didn't even stay for the poem.

And Carrie makes it OK after that little conversation. She's like, I think we want different things. You wouldn't even sign the card.

And like, I want somebody who will stay with me until the end. And then she copps out by saying, it's, you know, until the end of a wedding. And then he's like, OK, I'll stay until the end of the wedding.

And then they hear that they're gonna do the bouquet. And he's like, isn't that towards the end? And she's like, yeah, grab some cake.

I'm saying bye to my friends. And it's just so sad.

It's sad because in that moment, I think he realized what she was going to say. And then when she switched to the wedding and he was like, okay, I'll stay. But we boil this down to, again, his inability to give her what she needs.

Yes.

And her being okay with that.

She's okay with it because she thinks that's the best she's going to get. Yeah, that's wrong.

Yeah.

And until she sees that, it will not be changed. We've all had that one person that we're like.

Everything else doesn't matter.

Yeah, everything we've learned, everything about our self-worth goes out the window because she's also addicted to the fantasy with Mr. Big. You can boil it back down to this idea on the whole episode.

It's about the fantasy of what each of these men could have brought these women.

Yeah.

Because on paper, they have money, they look nice, they, you know, maybe the sex is great. And when you actually boil it down.

The apartment, I think.

The apartment, yes, the apartment.

Yeah.

But then when you actually look at it, you're like, no, because they're not showing up. They're not choosing you.

Yeah.

And you want to be chosen.

Yeah. No, I agree. I have one more question before we get to the end of the episode with the advice.

But like as our American correspondent for this episode, is the chicken dance a classic in every wedding?

It's a classic. It's a classic.

Okay. Because that was my question. I was like, is it?

Okay. So it is. Then now I have like the fire advice for the girls for the episode.

So I'll prompt you to give advice to each one of the girls. Yes. Feel free to throw in the witch in you for it.

Because Samantha.

Yes.

Samantha meets a guy at the engagement party that is really like a going away party. She ends up in bed with him and at one point she has a flashback because the dude has this weird thing of like, touch my head, touch my head. He's about to come.

Samantha's like, have we slept together before? He's like, yeah, a few years ago after this and that. What will you tell Samantha about maybe re-encountering a past flame and not even remembering that she did sleep with him?

Well, it clearly wasn't that memorable sleeping with him.

So I would give her, she is a woman that she is in her divine power when it comes to her sexuality. So I would just tell her it clearly wasn't memorable. So move along, darling, move along.

It clearly wasn't memorable.

Okay. I was going to ask you, did you think that maybe the universe brought him back to be like, remember who you sleep with or like this dude, you wronged him in one way or another, it meant this or another?

I think the universe brought him back in for her. I think her sexuality is also in the way she presents herself and sleeps with all these men is also a coping mechanism for not wanting to open up to one man in a way.

Yeah.

And so, like on paper in presenting, she owns it, okay? She owns her sexual power. But deep down, there is a part of her that's like, okay, you know, I want to be loved as well.

Yes.

I do think with him coming back, it almost got her thinking, oh my goodness, I need to like remember, I need to see who I'm with.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's to remind her like, you know, you are deserving of that if that's what you want.

You're deserving of that love if that is what you truly want.

Yeah. Which I think she does.

Okay, then for Charlotte, what would you tell somebody that maybe feels like she's had her future husband, children life, like evaporate in front of her eyes after having that awful encounter with a father and him reacting that way?

What would you tell your girlfriend at the end of a wedding if that happened?

Fuck him. First and foremost, but also don't fall in love with potential and don't fall in love with the fantasy. Fall in love with what is being presented to you in that moment.

And he showed his true colors in that moment.

Yeah.

He's not the one.

Okay.

Because what's meant for you will never miss you and what misses you wasn't meant for you.

Yes.

It wasn't aligned.

Good riddance.

So leave it at what it was, accept it for what it was, and the right one will come.

Yeah. And in her rule book, she'll be over him in like two hours because they spent four hours together. Okay.

And then Miranda, what would you tell somebody that maybe is just like nobody sees me? Like I have been standing here next to the guest book and like nobody wants to sign it. And like my doorman doesn't remember who I am.

And like the guys that keep approaching you guys like are not seeing me. What would you tell maybe a woman that feels like she's being completely neglected by any male gaze or any kind of attention?

Nobody sees her because she doesn't see her. She is putting out the energy of desperation of lack.

Yeah.

And that is causing no one to see her. And the more she radiates confidence, focuses on herself, that's when she's going to start to attract the right person.

Yeah.

Okay. And it's honestly as ridiculous as it sounds. But when you least expect it and it's going to be the person you least expect it, but it's what she needs.

It's what you need. And to be honest, Steve in that moment was the total opposite of what you would have thought.

Yeah.

It is exactly what she needed to light herself up again.

Yes. Okay. And then finally, my girl, Carrie, what would you tell a friend that maybe keeps coming back to you?

Like she's in a committed relationship. They're exclusive, whatever you want to call it. But like she's definitely not getting her standards and needs met.

She needs to leave, as difficult as that is.

And she loves him and she wants to be with him. Unless he puts in the work, she's never going to change him.

How would you have maybe rewritten some of the scenes, like him not wanting to sign the card and being an asshole about it, him leaving in the middle of the poem reading? How would you have told her?

Because it's like, okay, maybe don't break up with him in that moment. But like, I do think you can help your partner meet you a little bit, because she doesn't say squat about...

She doesn't say anything. And that's the thing, because if she were to say something and state her needs, she's afraid because she's not seen and heard. She's afraid to state her needs because she knows it will freak him out and push him away.

So if I was at that wedding with her and she came up to me and she was upset about it, I was like, listen, not in this moment now. Enjoy the rest of the night.

But when you leave, you need to think long and hard about what it is you want in your life.

Yeah.

Because, listen, as cliché as it sounds, life is too short and you are wasting time if you think he's going to change.

Yeah. And finish that conversation if you really want to see it through. I'm afraid we want different things.

And like, don't say that what you want is for somebody to stay with you until the end of a wedding. That's not what you want.

Exactly. And she switched the narrative because she knew that he would get freaked out.

Yeah.

And that's what hurts my heart because we've all been there. I've been there. I've had my friends been there.

And we don't feel seen and heard and we don't say anything. And we play the cool girl to not rock the boat.

Yes.

And she's playing the cool girl, but she's sacrificing her own needs and inevitably what she knows she deserves.

Yeah. Okay. I agree.

So that was the episode. Now I'd love to hear what you're up to because I know you're on tour. I know you have gigs coming up.

I know you're also doing a lot of very fun things about your more intuitive witchy side on TikTok. So please tell us, what are you up to? What's coming up for Sabrina?

Oh my goodness.

Okay, so we are on the verge of world domination. I'm heading out on a UK tour starting in Newcastle on June 6th, ending in London, June 18th. I'm working on new music.

I am also, you know, I've always been a witch. It's been, you know, I've always been a psychic, but I do all of my healings. I have a retreat coming up in Spain.

I'm doing a beautiful, beautiful retreat for women. A really like divine, feminine, beautiful process. But I am just, I'm really fully in my power, both creatively and spiritually.

And I'm just really gearing up for this tour. It's going to be a really big deal in my career. And, you know, definitely, instead of keeping the witch and the music separate, it's one now.

I love it.

It's all part of Sabrina.

Okay, so I have two questions.

Where can people find tickets to the gigs? And tell me more about the retreat. Where in Spain and what does it entail?

Okay, so you can find all my information on my Instagram.

It's Sabrina K. All of the links to my tickets, my psychic readings, everything are all in there and all of my events. You can, you know, you can also find the links for the retreats as well.

The retreat got started because a friend of mine up north, Bailey, she owns a studio, a heated studio called the 108. We were like, we want a space for women to heal together. We want a space for women to truly feel seen and heard.

And our friend Angela is coming on with us. She does feminine biology. So she goes through your blood panels, hormones, everything, food, got me said, Bailey does the movement and I'm going to be doing the energy healing.

That sounds amazing.

So as women, it's in Costa del Sol and Benamedina, but as women, we often forget about our ancestral blueprint.

Like we should not be working 14 hour days, seven days a week. Like we're not on a 24 hour cycle like men. We're on a 28 day cycle.

We need rest. We need to come back to our...

We need different things depending on the cycle.

Yes. And as women, we suppress that wild feminine energy. And I think both in my music and my spirituality, I've always been told I'm too much to be quiet, sit down, look pretty.

And no, I have this sacred rage inside of me. Like I channel that through my music, my power. Like I'm going to be this wild outspoken woman.

Yeah.

And you know what?

If I'm too much for people, well, the door's right there.

I love it.

You know, and that's what you see. That's what that's everything I'm doing right now is is all one.

Yeah.

Music, the retreats coming up, the spirituality, it's all one. It's about being that divine feminine power and not apologizing for it. Like these bitches have been burning me at the stake for centuries.

I'm here now. I'm not going anywhere.

I know you're not. I know you're not.

I'm not going anywhere.

I know you're not.

No. I'm like, I'm loving it.

Okay. I'll pop all the details to the tour and the and the retreat on the show notes because I think that sounds amazing.

It's going to be amazing. And I'm just excited. I mean, like, hopefully a couple months from now, the world knows my name and we're like, Oh my God, her single's number one.

She's performing around the world.

I've been manifesting that.

We're manifesting.

Yes, we are.

World domination.

Yes, we need it. Well, thank you very much, Sabrina. This has been a blast.

Thank you, darling.

I'll have you back when you're done with the tour.

Absolutely.

Thanks for listening, guys.

I will be back next Tuesday with another episode. Don't forget to follow, rate me five stars, subscribe and check the show notes for my Instagram account, Sabrina's Instagram account and all the details to all the things she mentioned on the episode.

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